Toni Schumacher is German champion, cup champion and European champion. In an interview, the veteran Cologne resident talks about the duel against Bayern, Yann Sommer and Manuel Neuer.
Munich – 16 years in Cologne, eight games for Bayern: goalkeeper legend Toni Schumacher (68) is an expert when it comes to about mating on Tuesday night (8:30 p.m.)..
Herr Schumacher, 7:1 against Bremen. How is the atmosphere in the cathedral city?
The euphoria is enormous. And then of course we immediately think again that we can also be represented in Europe. That’s fast in Cologne.
Similar to Munich in TSV 1860.
(Laughter) Exciting or saddened to death.
You were in goal in the 7-0 win against Frankfurt in 1983, the last comparable win.
That’s right. But I can also think of a game against Bremen: they won 7-2, six goals from Dieter Müller. In games like this, even as a player, I always felt sorry for the other goalkeeper. Conceding seven goals is a humiliation.
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Was it a cream day or a wink?
That’s Steffen Baumgart’s way of letting football play. He doesn’t change his tactics, no matter what opponent comes. I like that. Cologne will also try to put pressure on their opponents up front against Bayern.
You say you are an “optimist”. FC think they can beat Bayern, do you too?
At least that’s how you have to play the game. I’m not saying: I’ll get hit on the head anyway. Let’s put it this way: one point would be a success.
You yourself have an almost balanced record against FC Bayern.
That was a favorite opponent of mine. But of course we had a great team then, we got the double in the late 1970s and played regularly in Europe. That is different today.
with Karlheinz Rummenigge and Paul Breitner bet you money when they first met. Who had pockets full?
I bet Kalle wouldn’t tag me. So I got paid (laughs). I wasn’t as successful against Paul in our penalty bid. You can’t really wake him up, especially not with 200 DM.
Colonia icon Schumacher on the summer: “I thought a lot about the change”
Did you know that you were the first “data collector” in this field?
I don’t believe it. But I really was! The little notebook with my notes is now in the football museum in Dortmund. My friends, my mother, they all helped when they saw a penalty kick on TV: jersey number, club, and which corner I was taking. So at some point I had a small database. That is why I am still the goalkeeper in the league who has saved the most penalties.
Would you have held out against Lewandowski?
I guess so. It was a little psycho thriller that I enjoyed.
You were 37 years old when you made your Bayern debut, along with Jörg Butt, you were the only newcomer older than Yann Sommer…
Honest? (laughs) But I only helped out for eight games. Raimond Aumann called because all the goalies were injured. I had already finished my career.
Sommer’s role is different.
I’ve got I thought a lot about the change, as with Jörg Butt: Why do you go as the absolute number one from one club to another club where you are only number one for a short time? Yeah Manuel Neuer has returned is that too is over for the summer. Then he will play.
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Can Neuer go back to 37 like before?
As you get older, it takes longer to recover from injuries. You have to see how he does it. I’m not worried that I’m not motivated, that I can’t maintain the level. When I was 42 years old, I was in goal again in Dortmund. But if I were him, I would think about playing for the national team.
So give up?
Because of his old age, I wouldn’t play for the national team if I were him. This double load, the high risk of injury – there are many reasons. I think he will too. And then he can play until he’s 40, like Dino Zoff.
Is summer better than Sven Ulreich?
It’s a difficult thing for Ulreich, I feel a little sorry for him. He himself is a great goalkeeper, and that as a second man. The fact that they then get a new one is difficult for him. In his place he would look for a new club in the summer. Instead, Sommer knows he can’t take it easy. He has to go full speed, otherwise Ulreich will be there.
His size was a problem. At 1.86m, you have shown yourself how well you can save as a smaller goalkeeper.
If you look at the guys in goal today, they are huge. It just has other qualities. He performed very well in Gladbach and also in the Swiss national team. He is receptive. He doesn’t make it big, but he has long stretches ahead of him.
So you can play him against Paris with a clear conscience?
I think so.
And against Cologne?
(laughs) … you have to get behind him twice. Let’s see how many goals fall on the other side.
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